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win, and i think if he had run this time, he had -- he could have got all those blue collar guys in michigan, all the blue collar guys in ohio, all the blue collar guys in wisconsin. he's a blue collar guy, and he would have won the south anyway. he would have been a great candidate. the question is is -- >> when did you start saying this? >> i said it on your show. the question is in four years can he maintain that. >> let's not talk about four years. let's talk about right now. don't do that. don't do what you just said. this is what it looks like right now. >> right now he would be a great candidate. >> shrummy, let's talk about culture. you're a student of popular culture. something says to me it's jersey's turn. it just is. if you don't buy it, say you don't buy that. >> i don't buy that. i think this guy is really interesting. he's a big winner in 2012 -- >> would you ever back a republican under any circumstance over any democrat ever? >> it depends who the democrat was -- >> have you ever done it? >> as a general proposition, no. >> have you ever done it? >> no. >> then make that cle
win, and i think if he had run this time, he had -- he could have got all those blue collar guys in michigan, all the blue collar guys in ohio, all the blue collar guys in wisconsin. he's a blue collar guy, and he would have won the south anyway. he would have been a great candidate. the question is is -- >> when did you start saying this? >> i said it on your show. the question is in four years can he maintain that. >> let's not talk about four years. let's talk about right...
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unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be
unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience. they've done similar legislation back in february. they've seen thousands of jobs come to indiana. and those jobs could also come to michigan. >> and when you look at indiana and see what they've achieved since february when they did similar legislation, they've gotten thousands of jobs coming to indiana because of this issue. >> all you have to do is look to indiana. and as soon as they did this legislation, thousands of jobs have come to indiana since that time frame. >> we're losing a major competitive advantage. indiana has become a right to work state. and i've looked at their pipeline. they've significantly increased the number
and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience....
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. >>> the michigan sneak attack proves it again. union busting is all about politics. >> if a half a million people leave the labor movement every year, pretty soon you start having crimp in the political budgets of these unions, it has a direct effect on the presidential. >> and former ohio governor ted strickland on the politics of michigan and what it means forrest of the country. >>> plus, major news from the fed that will boost the economy and help your pocketbook. we'll explain how. >>> the latest on the attorney general's announcement about protecting voting rights. >>> and senator kent conrad, chairman of the budget committee, gives his farewell address to the senate. tonight i'll ask him if the broken chamber can ever work again. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching details of the latest fiscal cliff counteroffer from the white house have emerged, and republicans are still whining and complaining. the white house confirmed their new offer has $1.4 billion in revenue from higher taxes on the wealth
. >>> the michigan sneak attack proves it again. union busting is all about politics. >> if a half a million people leave the labor movement every year, pretty soon you start having crimp in the political budgets of these unions, it has a direct effect on the presidential. >> and former ohio governor ted strickland on the politics of michigan and what it means forrest of the country. >>> plus, major news from the fed that will boost the economy and help your...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first full prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you,
and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. avoid bad.fats. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. darrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time.
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this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the presidential politics and the president saying this is going to happen. so why can't these two men meet in the middle? >> it's interesting, because you're hearing in the public pronouncements almost no movement. the president reportedly lowered his target on tax, you know, revenue from 1.6 to 1.4. boehner stayed exactly the same, 800 billion. they are differing on how to get there. they are still saying the same things they have always been saying but then you have other reports in the "wall street journal" and bloomberg that behind the scenes the staffs are talking real numbers
this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the...
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it's the real reason he was invited to michigan. with time running out for a deal before the holidays, the president and now speaker john boehner met at the white house, the first face-to-face meeting between the two in nearly a month. the first one-on-one meeting between the two. aides refused to characterize the meeting saying, quote, we're not reading out can details but the lines of communication remain open. but we'll do it for him. this is the real start of the negotiations, folks. if this week goes bad, we shouldn't worry about a deal. the plan is to get something passed by friday, december 21st or even december 24th. and then the legislation has to be written by the 18th. and that means that obama and boehner must reach some framework of an agreement by december 14 or 15 if there's going to be a deal. what does that mean? lots of serious talks have to begin now. we can put the posturing finally aside. we've run out the clock on this posturing phase. >>> bob corker joined a growing number of republicans who argue that agreein
it's the real reason he was invited to michigan. with time running out for a deal before the holidays, the president and now speaker john boehner met at the white house, the first face-to-face meeting between the two in nearly a month. the first one-on-one meeting between the two. aides refused to characterize the meeting saying, quote, we're not reading out can details but the lines of communication remain open. but we'll do it for him. this is the real start of the negotiations, folks. if...
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they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right-to-work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying that right-to-work will make more jobs. but i don't think that. i believe that right-to-work is going to hurt the people out there. >> to take that away by this kind of right-wing attack by the republican administration is a disgrace to everything michigan has stood for decades and decades. >> so governor snyder, i find it interesting. if you sign this, how can you stand in front of the people and say this is what the people want with a number like that? this is how serious this issue is tonight. the entire democratic delegation called a special meeting with the michigan governor, senator debbie stabenow.
they claim they're helping the michigan economy. but michigan voters don't seem to agree. this is a number that is astounding. a new poll out shows that only 6% of voters surveyed want the legislature to make michigan a right-to-work state. union members say michigan republicans are simply hurting the economy. >>. >> tell me what democracy looks like! >> we're still here. we're still going to fight, even when the odds are stacked against us. >> i know that they're saying...
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and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what the republicans are going to do, what the republicans might do differently now, but this isn't about talking. in michigan we are seeing what they are doing. are these guys an outlier or is this representative of what we should expect from republicans around the country and in d.c. after this election? joining us now is gene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the "washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. mr. robinson, it is great to have you here tonight. >> it is great to be here, rachel. >> i would not have expected
and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what...
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. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>> developing news this hour. protesters rae main out of michigan's capitol building urging the governor not to sign right to work legislation and barring them from requiring workers to pay union dues as a condition of employment. the state house passed both bills today dealing with private and public sector unions. protesters were shouting "shame on you" from the gallery. michael moore said they're up to 15,000 people at the protest. state senate passed both bills last week and now michigan governor rick snyder says he'll sign them as early as tomorrow. nbc's ron mott is there. what's the latest? >> reporter: hey
. >> michigan passed controversial right to work laws. we're on top of developing news. >> i'm krystal ball we fight for the right to party. it's a holiday party after the show and we'll be well behaved. >> sort of. >> i'm steve kornacki. i'm a resident party animal. you haven't seen the pictures of the 2002 massachusetts gubernatorial debate watch party. >> what? >> we stand corrected. it's always a party here in "the cycle." >>>...
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it's about those new right to work signs in michigan yesterday. the detroit free press is out with an editorial saying unions need to remind people who life was like without them. unions built the middle class and improved the standard of living for workers. do you think unions helped grow the middle class. go to facebook."news nation" to cast the vote. that does it for us. thanks for joining us. patty murray, former pennsylvania governor and the daily beast will all join the "news nation." the cycle is up next. you ever notice that some people just have a knack for giving the perfect gift? they put real thought into it. and find just... the right...thing. how do they do that? more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. pick up a ridgid jobmax multi-tool starter kit and get a free head attachment.
it's about those new right to work signs in michigan yesterday. the detroit free press is out with an editorial saying unions need to remind people who life was like without them. unions built the middle class and improved the standard of living for workers. do you think unions helped grow the middle class. go to facebook."news nation" to cast the vote. that does it for us. thanks for joining us. patty murray, former pennsylvania governor and the daily beast will all join the...
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it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us behind the curtain and explain the relationship of the koch brothers and all of these right-to-work organizations that have been pushing this behind the scenes. >> what you see in michigan, behind the scenes as you say, are a number of grassroots groups that have names like americans for prosperity, michigan freedom fund and so forth. they are there to push lawmakers to pass right-to-work legislation, funded by some of the biggest interests on the conservative side. the koch brothers, we're talking about the prince family, eric prince used to run black w
it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us...
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they they are exempt in michigan. you lack sort of that piece of the messaging strategy, so what are you going to do specifically in michigan? do you have, you know, already phone banks going? are you guys going -- what is your strategic plan beyond just messaging to working people? >> i think it's that we have to organize at a level and depth we've never done before. there's a million people that are parts of unions in michigan. we're going to reach out to every one of them. we're doing a training today. we're going to do one-on-one conversations like we do in electoral activity to get every member to resign a card both for political action and for union membership, and make sure we register people to vote. we think the reason we won in ohio is baugh because bargaining matters for building the mrilgdz class, and it's the questions in michigan and in wisconsin were about candidates and issues, and so that's we think we need to expand this fight beyond simply electoral strategy and include private sector organizing, co
they they are exempt in michigan. you lack sort of that piece of the messaging strategy, so what are you going to do specifically in michigan? do you have, you know, already phone banks going? are you guys going -- what is your strategic plan beyond just messaging to working people? >> i think it's that we have to organize at a level and depth we've never done before. there's a million people that are parts of unions in michigan. we're going to reach out to every one of them. we're doing...
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for michigan. he's one tough nerd. >> now, while governor rick snyder may consider himself one tough nerd, to others, it's not the case. instead, he's one of the compliant puppets with big money donors pulling his strings. this is a backroom deal that goes on at local, state and federal rules. we need to follow the bills. oh, no, sorry, two bills, yes, and the dollar bills. the dollar, dollar bills, y'all. when it comes to legislation, snyder took everyone by surprise even before he became governor snyder, he said right to work was di- visive and not on his agenda. that's when he flipped the switch. according to the nation, once snyder changed his position money supporting the bill poured in from mack knack center, right wing think tank and the michigan basted progress in michigan founded by the coke brothers. the green bills needed to fund this effort were readily available. back to the legislative bill. enter patrick and fellow freshman representative mike. they didn't think of this scheme overni
for michigan. he's one tough nerd. >> now, while governor rick snyder may consider himself one tough nerd, to others, it's not the case. instead, he's one of the compliant puppets with big money donors pulling his strings. this is a backroom deal that goes on at local, state and federal rules. we need to follow the bills. oh, no, sorry, two bills, yes, and the dollar bills. the dollar, dollar bills, y'all. when it comes to legislation, snyder took everyone by surprise even before he...
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the communities. and make it crystal clear that snyder can't get away with this by building a more powerful worker community movement in the state of michigan and rebuilding a middle class, not just in michigan, but all across this country. >> supporters of these laws, i don't really like to call them right-to-work laws, i think it's just framing. but support sayers why should you, if you have been hired by an employer, gm maybe, why should you have to pay to be represented by a union that you didn't vote for and maybe that
and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the...
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i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder, republican governor, hard to believe now but when he was elected he was celebrated by the national media as the anti-tea party republican. campaign as a nerd, not so much ideological. he wasn't going to do the kinds of things in michigan that john kay sich was doing in ohio and the turning point when labor in michigan tried to put a constitutional amendment -- put a constitutional amendment on the ballot out there he took as an affront and he snider in response is receptive to this legislation but i think what's interesting to watch here just quickly in the next day is this. a group of democratic c
i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder,...
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let's turn now to senator debbie stabenow of michigan. there's been a lot of conversation in the liberal community in this country about this. and democrats seem to be chomping at the bit. is this going to happen? are we going to see change? >> yes, i believe that we are going to see change. we have the support to make the changes and i think it's clear the public wants us to get something done. of course, we're going to work across the aisle, but one person shouldn't be able to hold up the department of defense bill or in the case of my bringing jobs home act, which is so important for shipping jobs overseas, we had 57 votes but we couldn't get 60 to stop a filibuster and they haven't to stand on the floor and talk so nobody knew who it was from block us to closing loopholes to bring jobs home. this is common sense. >> so senator, what's your response to mitch mcconnell what he says the filibuster reform is an effort to marginalize the minority party? >> it's crazy. he has been marginalizing the majority party. the last six years, there
let's turn now to senator debbie stabenow of michigan. there's been a lot of conversation in the liberal community in this country about this. and democrats seem to be chomping at the bit. is this going to happen? are we going to see change? >> yes, i believe that we are going to see change. we have the support to make the changes and i think it's clear the public wants us to get something done. of course, we're going to work across the aisle, but one person shouldn't be able to hold up...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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the people of michigan are outraged. we're talking to lansing, michigan mayor virg bernero. stay tuned. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." we told you at the top of the show republicans are dragging their feet to get a tax cut deal with the american people. those republican delays are putting our economic recovery, i think, in some serious neighborhood, dangerous, very dangerous. the good news, though, the latest employment numbers came out this morning. the economy added 146,000 jobs in the month of november. the unemployment rate hit a four-year low. it inched down to 7.7%. here's the bad news. america lost another 7,000 manufacturing jobs last month. overall these job numbers are better than analysts predicted, but republicans refuse to compromise on policies which will bring back even more jobs next year. they are risking our nation's economic recovery. here's house speaker john boehner's today. >> the risk the president wants us to take, increasing tax rates will hit many small businesses that produce 60 to 70% of the new
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what do you think the impact in michigan would be? >> i think the impact in michigan is going to be the same that we've seen in all of the other states that have passed this terrible legislation. and that is we're going to see wages decline. we're going to see good benefits decline. we're going to see workplaces become less safe. the fact is that this has not been good for economic growth in any of the states that have enacted right to work laws. they have unemployment rates that are as high or higher than michigan's. pushing right to work is the surest path to poverty that anybody could pursue here in michigan. >> there were some pretty big demonstrations last thursday at the state capitol to protest this. kind of reminisce sant of what we saw in wisconsin and ohio when those states voted on these union issues. what are you expecting tomorrow? what's your prediction? >> i think we're going to see thousands and thousands of people here in lansing who are protesting not just about the substance of this terrible legislation of so-called
what do you think the impact in michigan would be? >> i think the impact in michigan is going to be the same that we've seen in all of the other states that have passed this terrible legislation. and that is we're going to see wages decline. we're going to see good benefits decline. we're going to see workplaces become less safe. the fact is that this has not been good for economic growth in any of the states that have enacted right to work laws. they have unemployment rates that are as...
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as you said, michigan is the home of the american worker. but there are more protests planned in your state today over the controversial right to work legislation that the governor there, rick snyder, sparked this political firestorm when he announced last week he'd sign a bill requiring workers to financially support unions. it could happen tomorrow. moments ago you and your michigan colleagues gave a news conference on this. are you concerned this is going to turn into another messy situation similar to what we saw play out in wisconsin last year? >> here's what i'm concerned about with right to work. is that, number one, it'll end up cutting wages and benefits for middle-income workers who really need the money right now. they're still struggling with under water mortgages, with their kids facing all the student loan debt that i've been fighting to reduce, and also our middle-income families, when they have enough money to take care of themselves, spending that money actually stimulates the economy. so right to work is wrong. everyone who
as you said, michigan is the home of the american worker. but there are more protests planned in your state today over the controversial right to work legislation that the governor there, rick snyder, sparked this political firestorm when he announced last week he'd sign a bill requiring workers to financially support unions. it could happen tomorrow. moments ago you and your michigan colleagues gave a news conference on this. are you concerned this is going to turn into another messy situation...
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the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we already had a debate about this early in the year. scott walker -- >> he sort of -- >> it's hard to say the union people will have to be worried right now. >> it does feel as if when this moves, it moves. the question is, can they calibrate on another policy. we asked in the last 100 years how many presidents were elected after serving in the house, but not in the senate. there's just one. president george h.w. bush was a congressman for texas, unsuccessful candidate for the united states senate. then of course he was u.n. ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was
the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we...
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
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this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our society and we look forward to them being more responsive to workers. >> one last question, i know the funding relationship of mr. king as i said he was elected press of an international union with a good reputation. your organization i want to know more about. again, for the fifth time, who pays your salary? >> i told you i work for americans for prosperity. >> who pays your salary? >> i told you, americans for prosperity. >> and who is that? >> that's a nonprofit. we have over 87,000 activists. >> are the koch brothers behind you? jus
this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being xet at this just like everyone else in our...
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in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo salaries can be higher when workers' wages are lower. >> julian, by our count seven 69 ten poorest states in the u.s. are right to work states. >> exactly. >> nine of the ten richest are not. >> that's true. >> why do they support this legislation claiming that it helps workers? it does the exact opposite. >> if you look at the right to work states, they generally tend to have lower wages, generally tend to have higher unemployment. the argument on the other side was economic growth, they tend to be growing faster. >> so that's the rick perry argument. >>
in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo...
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it's a sad, sad day in michigan. if anybody doesn't think that this is an attack on democracy, this is the only second time that i've seen the capitol locked on the five-day workweek, and these labor unions are the most democratic institutions there are. >> now, when you listen to governor schneider today, let me tell you what he says about this law and how people are krcritice and thinks it's a much better description. >> people call it right to work but i think it's a much better description to say this is about quality in the workplace. >> i do not view this as something against the unions. i support the unions in many regards. a union that can can stand up, how is that supporting unions and helping working class people. >> i mean, please, come on. that's not believable on its face. please. this is an absolute attack on unions and the notion that it's fair, it's the right to work for less. we know that six out of the top ten states are right to work states. beyond that, consider the issue of fairen. workers should
it's a sad, sad day in michigan. if anybody doesn't think that this is an attack on democracy, this is the only second time that i've seen the capitol locked on the five-day workweek, and these labor unions are the most democratic institutions there are. >> now, when you listen to governor schneider today, let me tell you what he says about this law and how people are krcritice and thinks it's a much better description. >> people call it right to work but i think it's a much better...
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michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully exploiting 2010. democrats made a serious calculation not seriously organizing in '10, a lot of gerrymandering and republicans come in and he want to take these rust belt states way from democrats and one thing is to defend the only tenty i that has enough money to compete with republican money that is unions. >> and organization too. >> and organization. foot soldiers. those are where the white working-class voters that still vote for democrats exist and unions are a big part of that. >> an ongoing debate, one that ben is not satisfied with. >> somebody has to take the other side of
michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully...
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on the heels of the michigan's right-to-work law. union leaders are focusing on upcoming gubernatorial elections. at the same time, looking at options on how to appeal the laws already in effect. the huffington post points out there's a slew of lawsuits, citizen's initiative, repealing legislation and line item veto. opponents' right-to-work laws are formulating a strategy of their own. if they got michigan perhaps this is where they'd move next. the top five states with unionized workforces. joining me democratic strategy steven albendor. high taxpayer debt could be the next after michigan. which next state might be in the cross hairs? >> the most interesting thing to me, indiana started this trend. all businesses started locating towards indiana. i'm originally from illinois. operations like a right-to-work state like indiana and now michigan, that puts a lot of pressure on people right now mop where are the jobs? essentially this is about jobs. what michigan is trying to do is get more competitive. people are leaving michigan beca
on the heels of the michigan's right-to-work law. union leaders are focusing on upcoming gubernatorial elections. at the same time, looking at options on how to appeal the laws already in effect. the huffington post points out there's a slew of lawsuits, citizen's initiative, repealing legislation and line item veto. opponents' right-to-work laws are formulating a strategy of their own. if they got michigan perhaps this is where they'd move next. the top five states with unionized workforces....
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well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. that means 98% of americans and probably 100% of you. >> in some republicans are slowly but steadily fatesing a reality on the fiscal negotiations. leading the way, senator bob corker of tennessee. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudd
well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. that means 98% of americans and probably 100% of you....
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>> take a look at michigan, seen as the center of the labor movement. even the top four union members states could be at risk. at the top you have new york with one in four workers a union member, followed by alaska, hawaii and washington. the number you see on the screen right here, which is the advocacy money, that could be what's changing these traditional union states. according to the nation, we look at those numbers from 2008 to 2011, right to work money was $18 million. pro-union, just $2 million. >> thanks so much. always good to see you. that does it for me. let's go to thomas roberts. >>> good morning, everybody. coming up, we're also touching on the right to work debate. we will talk with a republican chair with the seiu who also leads a union in michigan. we will talk about big labor's plans to fight back in the wake of that devastating setback yesterday in michigan. >>> plus, walking a mile in speaker john boehner's shoes. former speaker denney hastert joining me about boehner's dance with the president on the edge of the fiscal cliff. >>>
>> take a look at michigan, seen as the center of the labor movement. even the top four union members states could be at risk. at the top you have new york with one in four workers a union member, followed by alaska, hawaii and washington. the number you see on the screen right here, which is the advocacy money, that could be what's changing these traditional union states. according to the nation, we look at those numbers from 2008 to 2011, right to work money was $18 million. pro-union,...
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>>> right now on andrea mitchell report, the president arriving in michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over the last round of budget negotiations. in the meantime, the anti-union fight, which is michigan. the heart and soul of the labor movement. after saying it was their best prank ever, are these crocodile tears? the aussie dj's are all apologies now that the nurse has tragically committed suicide. >> i mean, personally i'm -- >> the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut wrenching. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed
>>> right now on andrea mitchell report, the president arriving in michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands....